Comments on: 21 ways to make your Flash based site suck

By: Kixeria

Kixeria — Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:46:20 +0000

Thanks! This would serve as a good guide for me. Its like a list of Deady Sins in building a Flash based site.

By: yoochild (yoochild)

yoochild (yoochild) — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:17:13 +0000

@kg4giy I use to hate Flash passionately. Now I just hate designers that make Flash based sites. http://tinyurl.com/lr56gf

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By: Ricardo Pedri

Ricardo Pedri — Fri, 03 Apr 2009 14:28:46 +0000

Amazing post. And don’t worry dude, your sarcasm is really fun :)

By: Awesome

Awesome — Fri, 27 Feb 2009 02:22:23 +0000

I know the original post for this thread is 3 years old, however…after reading through the origninal post and numerous comments, I just have to add my 2 cents….

To all the people making flash websites (even though they suck) please, please continue…the reason I say this is:

(1) You learn a lot from your mistakes more so then your success’s
(2) If the future of the internet remains HTML, I am going to go back to watching TV
(3) How are we going to get to a virtual reality intenet system (you know like in Johhny Nemonic), without a flash foundation to start on, HTML just ain’t going to cut it…

Something to think about when you have a nice buzz…your welcome

By: andy

andy — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:11:36 +0000

I did notice that something was left out.
Every single internet browser from webtv to the $30 pre-paid cell phone, to the worst internet explorer, written in the last 20 years have 3 things in common:
they have a back button
they have a stop button
they have a refresh button
(google it)
Now that we know that every browser written in the last 20 years has these standard buttons, would one assume that by reviewing the history, that they are important to have, and if so, what is the reasoning behind this?
To me, of course they are important, because it helps in navigating the internet. When some poor shlub decides that ‘flash is fun to use’, they tell every browser coder for the last 20 years, that they have no idea what they are doing when they wrote the programs!
Why would anyone who has a brain, make a website where the basic functions of every browser are worthless?

To alex.
Your post shows exactly what jamie was saying.
“… i do excel at animations and i know that these are the spice to the web page.”
You are the ONLY ONE who thinks animations ’spice’ up a website. They dont, they simply slow down the navigation. Why do i want to sit through 10 seconds of animations to get to something?
You are exactly what is wrong with flash programmers. You think its neat and fun, but everyone visiting your site cannot stand it.

By: Dan

Dan — Wed, 05 Dec 2007 21:37:42 +0000

Thanks for the list Jay. I’ll use this as a rubric for my next flash site to keep it original.

By: Alex

Alex — Tue, 04 Sep 2007 08:49:39 +0000

I can see that you really hate Flash, let’s try to be professional when we make statements about flash. First of all not all flash sites suck as not all HTML sites suck. I agree that 100% pure web pages can’t be properly optimized for search engines.

My flash sites don’t go over 300kb because i optimize them as much as i can, i rarely use sounds and i try to keep the graphics to a minimal, i do excel at animations and i know that these are the spice to the web page.

Flash pages aren’t all that bad you just turned them in to that, i could make a post with “21 ways (make that 999 ways) to make your HTML web page suck”, but that doesn’t prove a thing. I hate designers that ruin flash because they are too stupid to optimize, i hate graphic designers that don’t know a clue about design, i hate HTML coders that make the code so big and that load every script in the first HTML file only because they don’t know how to separate css and js from the HTML, i hate a lot of things.

The truth is that there are good and bad web pages and you shouldn’t hit Flash Web Pages, you should instead discuss about the people that make them, flash web pages aren’t bad, stupid people that don’t know how to use flash and pretend to be allknowing should be shot.

With respect, Alex

By: Ramon

Ramon — Sat, 07 Jul 2007 06:30:12 +0000

Flash is evil, I curse when I have to enter a flash site, for 99% of the sites I have seen are anti-ergonomic and non-userfriendly.

- Flash sites with tiny matchbox size windows that can not be resized and with matching miniature text that is barely readable (leaving the rest of your big screen unused)
- Flash sites where you can not make a printout of not even the contact page
- Flash sites where you have to manually copy even the email to write to the site owner
- Flash sites with automatic music enabled (kill… kill…)
- Flash sites with cumbersome navigation
- Flash sites with stupid timewaster animations everywhere
- Flash sites that garble information that needs to be printed out (Manuals, Reference Books) displayed as Flash instead of for example print friendly PDF.

If I buy a book I want to read its content and not endlessly admire its bindings.

What I want from a regular website: “get in”, “find it fast”, “order, buy, print-out, copy, etc. it”, “get out”, thank you very much.

By: hairyman

hairyman — Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:44:21 +0000

dont forget, when your using a flash website 99% of the time the back and forward in youir browser wont work at all, instead taking you back to the last Non-flash page you visited, forcing you to reenter and go through THE ENTIRE EXPERIANCE again, but when your site looks that good they should be thanking you, not moaning about the poor design right?….

By: Atarii

Atarii — Wed, 02 May 2007 08:24:43 +0000

Revolution!.. flash is kewl.. everybody has their own flavour right? :).. if you just look for entertainment flash rules.. if you look for information flash sucks and is a waste of time..

By: Ubbe

Ubbe — Sun, 22 Apr 2007 10:01:26 +0000

hmm that messed up a bit as the tags i posted seemed to be removed – for format reasons i guess.

By: Ubbe

Ubbe — Sun, 22 Apr 2007 10:00:36 +0000

IMO this seems more like another go with the whole “flash is so sucky and far to flashy” wave that’s been going, seems more to me that it is a popular opinion, and that many people agree just because of that.

Personally i find that flash opens many more bounderies, and i also think that just because “noobs” make the mistakes you have mentioned here is not equivilant to all flash sites being like this.

It’s like me ranting at all html sites for using tables, iframes, insted of etc etc. Yes some people might do this, but never the less this does not seem as a valid point or argument against the use of html.

It’s a bit like saying, if we have freedom of speech, some people might abuse it and go on and offend everybody when they get the chance, therefore nobody should be allowed to say anything.

By: Kramp1502

Kramp1502 — Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:10:39 +0000

I’d agree in some respects. I use flash daily for my job, & the truth is that there are some poorly created full flash sites on the net. I’d disagree that it’s easy to learn though & i think that is the problem – it’s easy to learn how to do things badly in flash, & there’s a much more steep learning curve to learning how to create a fluid, interactive site, which requires a good knowledge of actionscript – my first flash sites were poor in comparison to the work that i produce now.

I’d say to anyone who does intend to build a full flash site – get some books first, look around the net for good tutorials – get some experience with the software first, try to keep your file size down, or load your movies in parts –
try some imaginative pre loaders to keep the viewer interested. take a look at sites like thefwa.com for how to use flash properly.

Use the forums that are available for flash to get good advice, & they are also good for feedback on your design before unleashing on the world.

Flash has a major part to play on the web now & in the future, & used well it can & does make the user experience rich & entertaining.

Used badly, it make people want to go to someone else’s site.

By: Alpha Male

Alpha Male — Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:40:45 +0000

Why would I want my website to suck in 21 different ways?

By: larry murrah

larry murrah — Tue, 10 Apr 2007 06:36:05 +0000

Here is my Flash site. How much does this suck? It’s my first, so I’m sure it needs some improvement. Let me know… you should see my former employer’s site. It’s a disaster. They never even consulted me. “Oh, he just does 3D, he doesn’t know the web.” Freakin’ morons. I know enough about Dreamweaver not to fuck things this bad,

By: D.E.C.

D.E.C. — Fri, 06 Apr 2007 23:20:01 +0000

rofl.. PWNed to all the n00b designers that do this.. :)) Nice job!

By: sciro

sciro — Mon, 02 Apr 2007 05:42:01 +0000

thank you, thank you… someone who knows what he’s fucking talking about.

By: Jonny

Jonny — Fri, 30 Mar 2007 11:25:05 +0000

Shouldn’t you have made this page in flash?

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By: ioulian

ioulian — Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:56:27 +0000

Ok, sorry, but I think you’re just jalous to that renders on the splash page, and nice animations. Yea, 50% of what you’re saying is true, there are much n00bs in this WWW but there are very nice flashsites.

By: skelta

skelta — Tue, 27 Feb 2007 05:28:25 +0000

why can’t we go back to web 0.0001 beta when content was King. I curse the day when you could start embeding images!!!!!!!!

By: Ludde

Ludde — Mon, 26 Feb 2007 07:55:44 +0000

Nice..many things are true. Can’t get it why you blame roll-overs while you use it yourself though. I nice flash-site I like is “www.detektivbyran.net” even if the music starts over when you change page, heh heh.

By: Oliver

Oliver — Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:15:25 +0000

This is just what I’ve been looking for!

I’ve never made an entirely flash website before, I’ve considered it, but always thought: But what if it doesn’t suck enough?

Now, with the help of your guide, I’ll be able to build sites that suck just as much as the many corporate flash based sites out there.

Thank you!